Someone found the blog on that search term, so here’s where the MPTC at Colwick is located.
First of all, anyone else looking for a test centre can search for it on the DVSA’s website using this link. You type in your own postcode or the town you’re interested in and the nearest test centres are given.
Colwick MPTC comes up as Private Road No. 5 on the Colwick Industrial Estate, with a postcode of NG4 2JU. The Google Maps link will allow you to navigate, but here’s a snapshot of the test centre location:
The industrial estate is just off the A612 Colwick Loop Road. You can join Private Road No. 2 (which starts off as Mile End Road) either at the Colwick traffic lights or the Netherfield ones (near the big, cylindrical fuel storage tanks). The test centre is right at the end of Private Road No. 5 on the left – it’s a really grotty road, with what appear to be scrap yards all around and frequent fly-tipping.
A reader sent me this link to a story in This Is Croydon Today.
To start with, it’s yet another freedom of information (FOI) muck-raking exercise by a second-rate journalist in a third-rate newspaper (The Croydon Advertiser). It appears to be a case of monkey-see-monkey-do, as they have copied exactly what a load of other cheap local rags have done and looked to see if anyone in the area has taken a large number of tests before finally passing (they found one: 23 attempts).
In the absence of anything else worth writing about along these lines, they have then made an apparent attempt to suggest that DVSA is trying to fulfil quotas by suggesting that learners are more likely to fail at the end of the month than at the beginning. The hack responsible bases this, and all his other claims, on test results for a single 3-month period covering October-December 2010. But then they go on to say:
Pass rates at both centres were highest in the middle of the month (between the 11th and 20th) and lowest at the end (on or after the 21st), with a five per cent gap in success at the Croydon test centre, in Canterbury Road, Broad Green.
Well, excuse me a minute. If they are highest in the middle, that suggests they are lower at the beginning as well as the end. Not just the end, as the article suggests.
There are lies, damned lies, and reporters who haven’t got a clue about statistics – but who still go ahead and try to interpret them. This unnamed reporter is a prime example.
I wrote in this article (September 2010) that examiners DO NOT have quotas to fulfil. However, whether or not individual examiners set themselves quotas so they don’t deviate from the local average is another matter entirely. I’m sure some of them do it, but it doesn’t affect the overall situation that much.
As I’ve said before, if an examiner is doing their job properly then they will have a pass rate that is close to the average without having to try to fudge it. If they ARE fudging it, then the internal system the DVSA is using will eventually sniff it out because they clearly AREN’T doing their jobs properly. The way for that to happen is if people appeal when they disagree with a result.
But having said that, the reasons for failure are pretty straightforward. Yes, there are hard routes and easier ones, but pupils manage to screw up big time on the easy ones often enough, so it stands to reason they will screw up even more on the harder ones. I can honestly say I have never disagreed with a result, and only a handful of my hundreds of pupils have – and even then, I didn’t: they made a genuine mistake and failed for it.
These idiots who don’t understand statistics seem to expect the pass rate to be 100% all of the time. One single fail and they’re over it like a rash.
The only thing I would say is that some examiners play it by the book, whereas others use a bit of commonsense. So a pupil who brushes the kerb when turning left might get automatically failed by the rigid examiner, no matter how good the rest of the drive was. The sensible examiner might reason that the rest of the drive was good so he’ll overlook that particular fault.
Do driving examiners fail people deliberately?
The short answer is NO. They do not. They are not told to fail people as part of any quota.
However, there are corrupt people in all walks of life, and as I explained above, it is possible that some examiners – a tiny percentage – fiddle their pass rates in order to avoid being “told off” by their managers.
Do examiners “fix” test results?
Old story from 2011. DSA is now DVSA, but the warning is still valid. Go to gov.uk and book your test there.
An email from the DSA:
Unofficial driving test booking websites: advice for customers
Directgovis the only official driving test booking website.
Other websites offer driving test booking services, but might charge extra administrative fees on top of the Driving Standards Agency’s (DSA) fee. Those websites are not run by or connected to DSA or
DSA recommends that all learner drivers book their driving test through the official booking service on
Directgovby visiting direct.gov.uk/drivingtest
If you have used an unofficial website
DSA gets complaints from customers who have used unofficial booking websites. In most cases these websites are doing nothing illegal. This means that DSA’s powers to respond may be limited.
If you have used an unofficial booking website, you might have seven working days to cancel your order and get all your money back. However, this will depend on the terms and conditions of the website you used.
You can find more information about your consumer rights on
Directgov. You can also use template letters to complain to businesses. Each letter includes details of the law that you want the trader to follow.
- Internet, mail order and telephone shopping
- Making a complaint – what to do first
- Create a complaint letter from a template
What DSA is doing about unofficial booking websites
DSA takes consumer protection very seriously. So, DSA is:
a) protecting its trademarks to make sure they are not:
- used to advertise unofficial booking sites in search engine results
- used as part of website addresses for unofficial booking websites
b) asking the Advertising Standards Authority to make sure unofficial booking websites are following the rules in the UK Code of Non-broadcast Advertising, Sales Promotion and Direct Marketing
c) asking local Trading Standards to investigate those unofficial booking websites that appear to be misleading consumers
What DSA is doing to promote the official booking service
DSA makes improvements based on learner drivers’ feedback to promote the official booking service. For example DSA:
- made sure that the official
Directgovwebsite pages appear at the top of search engine results where possible
- created videos showing how to use the practical test booking service – videos are being developed for the theory test booking service too
- reminded learner drivers on Twitter and Facebook about using the official booking service on
What approved driving instructors (ADIs) can do
DSA is encouraging ADIs to remind their trainees to use the official booking service by visiting
If ADIs run their own websites they can also link to the official booking service. The best links to put on your website are:
direct.gov.uk/booktheorytest– Book an official DSA driving theory test
direct.gov.uk/bookpracticaltest– Book an official DSA practical driving test
There is also a Facebook page about it.
I’ve had the proper links on here for some time on my Information Page, along with a lot of other useful stuff.
I was talking to a pupil the other day – one who had taken their theory test before coming to me – and he reckoned he’d paid £70 for his test! It costs £31 through DSA – and I charge £6.50 for a copy of Driving Test Success (DVD ROM), which is the ONLY thing you need in order to revise for the test. if you pay any more than that you’ve been had.
This is a very old story from 2010.
I caught an episode of Rip Off Britain on BBC One this morning, and it was laying into trainee driving instructors. You can watch the episode in question on
BBC iPlayer for a limited time.
At 2:00 into the programme there is a segment about the average comprehensive insurance quote being over £1,000, and then it homes in on an old couple who contacted the show about “their grandson, Josh”. They say “he’s a good boy”, so it must be the insurance companies who have it wrong, eh? Just as a reality check, my insurance is less than £300 a year on my private car, and has been for many years.
Grandad became Josh’s driving instructor (they are seen moving off and driving around without any L plates at all on display). And Grandad’s logic about how those who have never had a claim (his learner grandson) shouldn’t be penalised, when the statistics show that 17 year old males (like his learner grandson) are a major risk is seriously flawed. And keep showing said grandson on the Go-kart track racing around is just further reason why 17 year old males ARE such a risk. Attitude.
I wish old people would get it through their heads: just because he/she is YOUR grandson (or granddaughter) doesn’t mean he/she is different to anyone else’s grandson (or granddaughter). He or she is more likely to be the same as most other people of the same age group.
At 22:00 into the programme, they have a segment on “scam” theory test websites (they have a thing about scam sites, and educating older people to use the Internet wisely). I’ve mentioned these sites on this blog previously.
In a nutshell, don’t book your theory (or practical) test through anything other than the official DSA (now, DVSA) website. There’s not much more you can say – and it doesn’t matter how “unfair” it is (according to one of the interviewees). What those websites are doing is not illegal, although it is morally questionable.
The segment on trainee instructors/PDIs is at 29:56 into the programme. Apparently, 1 in 10 learner drivers in the UK is being taught by a PDI, and it costs “most people around £1,600” to learn to drive. The show then homes in on a young girl who signed up with “a well known school” (I note that her offside wing mirror was gaffer-taped on) to learn.
Her tale centres on her instructor not being professional, using his mobile phone, and not turning up sometimes. She claims she didn’t learn much and her confidence was low (as you will see, it turns out her instructor was a PDI).
Now, I don’t want to take anything away from what she says, but all those things can happen with a fully-qualified instructor. And they do happen.
The programme’s main thrust, though, is the fact that learners pay full lesson prices to train with PDIs. There is also the claim made that PDIs are told to try and conceal the “pink” badge from their pupils with one large school, at least.
It is made clear that charging full price is not against any rules or laws, and it appears that all schools who use PDIs do charge full price. The AA, who only uses qualified ADIs, claims that you’re 25% less likely to pass your driving test if you’ve been taught by a PDI. BSM reckons that pupils taught by its PDIs have a pass rate 10% above the “DSA national average”.
The young girl “reckons” that schools are responsible for letting people know they are being trained by a PDI and for charging appropriately.
What puzzles me is how much they should charge. Half price keeps being mentioned, but why? Why “half price”? If you get taught by someone who turns out to be crap just because they are a PDI, why stop at half price? Why not totally free? After all, over 70% of them won’t make it to become ADIs anyway, so they will always be substandard in the end.
At 35:20 they carry out an interview with the DIA. Basically:
- ask to see the badge of your instructor: if it’s green, he’s qualified; if it’s pink, he’s a trainee
- ask his grade: 5 or 6 is good
- there is nothing wrong with the PDI system as such
- it isn’t properly supervised. THAT’S the problem
- driving schools shouldn’t be charging the full rate for lessons with a PDI
I have my own views. I didn’t go via the PDI route, but I know a lot of people who did and who became ADIs using it. I find that a lot of ADIs change their tune once they qualify – they might do the PDI route, or use the hated Red Driving School, and yet even before the examiner’s signature has dried on their Part 3 pass certificate they’re at Red’s throat and vehemently anti-PDI or anti-anyone else wanting to become ADIs.
I have always been wary of the PDI route, because as I mentioned earlier, with only around 10% of people who set out to become ADIs making it (less than 30% of those who get to Part 3 pass that), PDIs teaching learners just doesn’t make sense. And yes, it isn’t supervised properly, so many PDIs end up using the pink badge as a way of making money and not learning – which is totally against what it is supposed to be for.
Edit: I notice this is cropping up on various forums now. Some ADIs are wetting themselves over it – but they all fail to appreciate that what the programme was trying to show (i.e. charging full price for trainee instructors) is not what they want to believe (i.e. that all PDIs are bad and any company who uses them is also bad). It’s another example of ADIs twisting every detail to fit in with their own biased opinions.
The programme didn’t specifically state that any of the learners mentioned were using BSM, but the self-styled “experts” are making all sorts of stupid claims and statements on the forums. One says:
That the first time i had seen BSM pointing out that it majority instructors are not fully qualify (sic).
I didn’t hear any of that when I watched it. Another – who apparently went down the PDI route with BSM – says:
Anyway, lets hope that the long awaited reform on pink licences is just around the corner. I guess then we will see the demise of B$M.
They’re on a different planet! And they call themselves “experts”.